The Ranch at Rock Creek offers year-round unique vacations on an authentic 19th-century homestead. Let them grow through there phases in life. talking to adolescent girl about this and in front of his wife no less !!!!! Ok so I need some help please, my now husband, Kyle Thompson who is 27 now.. Which was nothing because you did the same shit everyday. 1221 Spring Forest Drive, Rocky Mount, NC 27804. And I dont get any closure at all. . Id like to connect and talk about your experience more if you are up to it? Now, im a 30 year old man.31 in 2 months and to this day (13 years later) I plan to go back and visit. Most of the allegations the other people are speaking of I can say for sure are true. I can honestly say I was glad I went to spring creek because I did 10th thru 12th grade of high school in just 10 short months, I would have never received a high school diploma if it wasnt for spring creek. The surrounding mountain ranges and plains offer great hunting opportunities for healthy herds of elk, antelope, Whitetail and Mule deer. He was indeed traumatized by wwasps. This girl got up and told us all while crying that her step father was raping her for a long time and she thinks her little sister too and she told her mom but her mom didnt want to hear it and she arrived at the school shortly after. This says it nicely but a forest needs to be planted. I have a burning hatred in my heart that I want gone badly. I pulled out and raced up there. We were thrown in freezing ponds infested with who knows what just for fun. Cry me a fuking river you unaccountable over sensative pussies! Everyday I contemplated suicide, it seemed the only way to get freedom. I found the program on line and called a phone number. This wasnt a law? I dont think I will ever get past the trauma caused by SCL, and I know I can never forgive my parents for it either. What the hell is going on here??? Many avid anglers, however, enjoy bringing their own gear. It seemed like at one point our group was running through staff memebers weekly. I was sent away in 2003-2005. Bullrun Spring Creek Ranch in Belgrade, Montanahttps://hallhall.com/property-for-sale/montana/bullrun-spring-creek-ranch/a091Y000023ocoP/Bullrun Spring Creek. Sounds like a case worker or family parent. a sense of belonging somewhere, a warm home. Now living outside OKC, very rural. They have been evicted from the La Verkin properties by Robert Lichfield (Optimum Billing Services). I was in Charity. Hi Susan Lambert, I wish I had the parenting knowledge I have now before I sent her to Spring Creek. We will as well make a report to the Montana Department of Health and Human Services that are responsible for oversight of these facilities. Wildlife The habitat in this area is ideal for Mule Deer, Whitetail Deer, Pheasants, Sharptails, Huns, and occasional Elk, Bear, and Turkey. And WORKSHEETS!!!!!!!! Hello Fellow Survivors, I also realized that my daughter was reacting to the way our lives were. can you tell me which facility so i can ask around? That the worst time of my life. Staring into space is categorized as either looking-at-boys or planning to escape. I was there September 06 to summe of 07 and was pulled. This is my first time seeing this website, Maybe Ill share my story where it all started. Talked a night staff that was in college and obviously had no friends, to bring me chew and cigarettes by the carton. Hell, I would bet just about everyone on this site is more qualified than these Utardssorry Utahns. ? I was in Spring Creek Lodge from 1999- 2000. They gave the kid a pack and told them to go!!!!! My email is lynette.shifflett@gmail.com Id anyone wants to talk and share. Hey, I remember Danny, Gabe, Eugene, and several othersI was part of the first group (the Genesis family) in January 1996. Oh and Steve came out of the woods from a road behind the girls dorm. I made it up to level 4 jr staff. The bridge is just west of Noxon and takes the tracks to the north side of the river. Apparently he is taking Narvins (what a nameonly a backwards inbred banjo playing hicks would name their son Narvin) place as Narvin has had too many run ins with the law. He was always fair and in one particular incident backed me up for calling out a jr. Staff member for beating on a thirteen year old who had been sent there for being too fat. www.ranchflip.com is using a security service for protection against online attacks. The only question I got an answer too was what happens to Brandy now? So this isnt my real name. My step father talked my Mother into sending me here. juch0784@cc.peralta.edu, ps. I was strip-searched upon arrival. Id like to hear from you sometime. I was pretty much gone for the Summers staying at a friends house near the beach surfing everyday with my three best friends smoking, drinking, taking ecstasy,acid, getting arrested,steeling my brothers car and driving it to Pennsylvania. I remember not getting propper shoes or even my shoe laces during winter cause of a prior wilderness program i was in they claimed i could run n survive in the woods. I am not even quite sure where to begin when it comes to Spring Creek. She said that she has worked with many students and has a 95% success rate of getting us were we need to go. The rules there never changed, and the overall mentality of staff was neglectful and oblivious to the emotional conflicts of individual students at SCLA. After leaving there it was back to reality of what the program had to offer. You would go sleep on a piece of plywood with a staff member in front of the door. If you are a staff member you were party to the systematic mental and physical abuse of the program, designed to promote failure in all but those who actually needed real help. -Myles. Oh yeah, and every time I hear the song time after time I want to throw up until every blood vessel in my eyes have exploded! I awoke to one fondling and kissing me in the middle of the night. I took off on foot the first time because I could hear a train horn in the distance so I thought I would try to jump on it and go whatever way it took me and I will figure out my next move whenever I got the fuck away from those assholes. Their website recommended that parents watch the movie Thirteen to understand what horrible things their teenagers are doing. Thank you so much, and power and good health to you all. As did WWASP itself, when it changed its name to Teen Revitalization and its Resource Realizations (seminars) to Premiere Education Seminars. Im sorry but only so much stuff bothers me, then its like well you dont share, you have to share, so then im making up shit to SHARE about. figured he was one of the good guys. Internet Karen types. She just went through trying to get her transcripts with no luck. Tell him Myles from Wisdom says hello. Public humiliation and reliving trauma seemed to be their weapon in manipulation. I lost my fear of consequences, rules, or really even death in the real world because none of it seemed to compare in measure to the pain I had already witnessed and experienced. They told me not to run. Jay Im glad that place worked out for you. Livingston, MT 59047. Anyway, hope you guys are all doing good. So they probably catered to your needs more by giving you your own trailer and giving you more perks to keep collecting your parents money. We will have to transfer her to another level facility.. I think they took my shoes for a month.i remember they would wake us up in the middle of the night and make us go sit on the basketball court for however long with barley any clothes. BOOK NOW (406) 932-4387 CLOSED FOR THE SEASON. It was really something special to meet Zach many years later in my 20s and talk about that genesis family we were in. 3 kids, work in IT, got a degree from OU and lived in Denver for a bit. Was there some loop hole where they forced you to stay? John the one i remember was a cool guy, he was the one that talked to me when i got there. As long as I stayed a ghost, no one felt tempted to pick on me, and that was good for me. I know alot of crazy shit happened in both of those places. Nelson's Spring Creek is approximately 3/4 miles in length. Can you give me more info?? What lines, why is food an issue, what work parties???? I thought this was a school? But yeah I only passed the one seminar, played along, realized at the end of it that it was just straight up emotional manipulation and brainwashing. I was there. They had just opened Spring Creek Lodge in Montana. Koch family unloads Montana ranch to Rupert Murdoch for $200M. The understory is grass with a thick growth of wild roses providing privacy between sites. Either bland, banana nut, or blueberry. Danny and Gabe, Holy shit I cant believe I found this page. Let me tell u that last hour was the craziest shit It was like a movie because I wasnt gonna get comfortable just sitting around the airport. Stephanie i was also in serenity in 99 but later after failed attempts by staff to force me to move up in levels like 3allstar i was transferred to the new family destiny they built above the junior staff cabins. Ive been in prison most of my adult life and Ive never been as scared and helpless as I was the year I spent at Spring Creek Lodge. No I was in Serenity.99-2000. I was a lucky one considering the time I was there few were spared from atrocious violence. About an hour goes by waiting on tracks and I hear the horn and get excited. I thought I was doing the right thing. You will be redirected once the validation is complete. And thats what you did day in and day out. I was rebellious, purposefully non-compliant. They were upper level and took advantage of their good standing to make a run for it. Your friend, Myles- Wisdomfamily1998. Chaffin was definitely a creepy dude. At first they put me in intervention for long periods of time in solitary confinement. Support Staff beating the shit out of teenagers and jr staff getting thier jollys off fucking with lower levels. Anyone knows Jet or Scott Snijder? I never saw the man so quiet and he just looked at me in horror and disbelief at the things I told him. Technically I even graduated High School from Spring Creek. Its teenagers going through different stages of life trying to figure shit out. I got there and saw kids that I thought went home months before or that was said that were being transferred when in fact was kept at this house. I tried to pack my backpack and couldnt. Hence the name 5mo because I had 5 more years till I was 18 and no one saw me graduating. That place SUCKED and i would never put my children in something like this. Showers sucked as well. If my brother ever reads this I hope he gets as far away from the abuse that is the family. Everything you said X 10 I had a perfect Program in the Honor cabin and beyond in the upper level from 04-06. She is heading toward Highway 200. Absolutely NO WAY he didnt know what went on there; Im surprised he admitted that in his book (hes actually proud of it), after reading about all the law suits, suicides, murder, rape, assault, and so on that Spring Creek has been accused of over the years. This is what goes through my mind. I was employed there from 2001-2004. Leonard Spring Creek is located on a private ranch near Twin Bridges, MT. Do you have any idea where they could have taken her? I am so surprised even now seeing the names of the girls from Serenity that I dont remember them. Early 2004. I remember they would humiliate people individually I front of everyone bring up serious issues like rape and abuse infront of everyone. And it worked in my favor. And where was this spring creek at anyways?! Straight shooter and solid guy. Zach was there because his alternative wouldve been juvenile prison. Let me start by saying I would NEVER send my child(ren) away. I admit that there were times (too numerous to count) that I cried on the way home because of the sheer weight of my girls' problems that I carried with me. My last meal was an egg mcmuffin. I am so sorry for everyone who was littetaly kept prisoner i sincerelyhope my mother was not the cause of some of these horrible ordeals. When were youuuuu there? This has been going on longer then you think.I was taken to the Spring Creek when I was 16yrs old back then they called it a school for troubled teens ,that was back in the 80s same place older buildings some that you lived in we were made to build,it was school and work detail ( manual labor) forced on you , punished with all food taken shunned by other kids at the(community) verbal scare tactics.All payed for by our so called parents,its been going on for decades,and still is.The land and the buildings were spring creek is needs to torn down and let go back to natural forests nothing good ever happened there or ever will.I feel for all of you that were taken there I really do. The combination of abundant food options and gin clear waters produce conditions that require stealth and match the hatch presentation. They wanted my stepdad to shave his legs and dress as a female. It was fucking crazy but I actually preferred it over being locked in Sky View Academy. I was the only guy there from Alaska. Find out when to come, what equipment to bring, browse blog articles, and more. I was shocked to read the other side of the story. Not to change my behavior for the better. Gavin! Need transcript if anyone could point me in right direction. Cant remember exactly. This area is renowned for its stunning vistas, including the towering Tobacco Root, Ruby, Highlands and Pioneer mountain ranges. What a fucking shame. Im so glad that the TV show that was supposed to be based on SCL and Mike Linderman didnt take off. Im sorry, but anyone who leaves their kid in the care of a man named Narvin needs a brain transplant. Yeah its amazing how every parent got sold the your kids gonna wind up dead story. Few places on earth can match the picturesque beauty of the DePuy ranch with the Absaroka Mountains towering above a valley filled with deer, swans, cranes and bubbling trout waters. She looked at me and she looked away. Maybe youve heard of those schools where they pick you up in the middle of the night and you disappear. All rights reserved. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google. I almost felt like the staff wanted us to continue to fail. http://chaffinpullanismarvelous.weebly.com/ I never even made it to level 3 I didnt want it. Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch, Helmville, MT 59843 is a lot/land. I am finally starting to forget this nightmare. that shit was awesome. there was this junior staff who worked my family that day. My friend Jennifer and I decided we would find out. I dont think the winter event was normal. Im frankly embarrassed that I even passed the first one. Cameron had a running tab at the local bars. CONTACT 406-222-6560. We walked heal toe and couldnt look up out of line or we would loose points which ultimately made you a prisoner longer. I remember Jenna, illiona,Jennifer My madanname Wilson. Murdoch and wife, Jerry Murdoch, bought the 340,000-acre working Montana ranch from Matador Cattle Co., a subsidiary of Koch . SPRINGWATER RANCH: Features Intersected (Location): BCH OF CAMPBELLS CREEK (SEC 14 T 3N R 4E B) Year Built: 1983: Year Reconstructed: . I dont believe this was an isolated incident! Im looking to buy up some land in MT, something with river access. I remember you John! Think about what an entire staff body of 200 employees like this could do to kids. As i remember it I was sleeping Sunday morning and a junior staff decided to climb on me while asleep and dry hump me, I kicked him off and of course he tried to punish me. Was anyone there at the time ? Lot 1 $11,500 to LBS Angus, Fortuna, ND; SD Ashland 2047; 1/16/22; GAR Ashland x SD Final Answer 5081 Lot 3 $10,000 to Nelson Spring Creek Ranch, Livingston, MT; I too was in Serenity. Im really trying to find a Trauma and PTSD therapist right now possibly a psych who is already educated on Spring Creek / WWASP. My name is Nick Theriault. Montana Angler holds a federal permit to guide our guests on these legendary waters, Fish over 20 legendary Montana rivers across multiple valleys or get off the beaten path on our exclusive private access ranch leases. Oh shut up. Hi, I was in Serenity 2001-2003 as well. Did I not have enough respect? Never even made a second attempt. I pulled in wanting to talk to Brandy and they were very rude not friendly at all. The guy who conducted those warped seminarsDavid Gilcrease was his name, I thinkhe scared me. I got to come home because I graduated HS, and that was my mothers only concern. Singing Gregorian chants in the hobbit hole. Whatever you do, take it out on the Utarded Mormon mafia running these placesnot yourself. Armstrong Spring Creek is a world class spring creek and a mecca for catch and release fly fishing in Montana. I remember a big Samoan guy stealing my clothes (never got them back), stealing the Mountain Dew can I got for Christmas, and hitting me and slapping me to wake me up in the middle of the night, telling me walk without shoes into a van outside in the snow, to be driven to Montana from Utah. The lodge is located next to one of the largest Wilderness areas in the U.S. You can fish for salmon in the Middle Fork of the Salmon River. Insect hatches are predictable, plentiful and offer the angler an unparalleled fly fishing experience. I knew I was fucked. I wish I was as brave as you. I was a month from turning 18 and got put in the 18Year program pretty quickly, I think the staff (and my parents) realized they needed a way to keep me there while I was 18 and after. I grew somewhat accustomed to the monotony, floating through the same day over and over and over again. My job on day shift was family parent. Sooo, how can you be a parent if you do not have a relationship with your family. That was one of the MANY rules that I broke:) Pictures of the Racist Chaffin Pullan! Anyways Ive ranted enough. Chavez I remember u. I came into excel just as u were leaving Moises n big mike. If that doesnt sum up their bullshit in one sentence I would like to know what does. They tried to restrain me, prevent me from sleeping, and other methods of unpleasantness. Hugged, laughed and cried. I think these people were a blessing in my life. This attitude and strong will is inherent to my being and I carry it with pride the same way the upper level would feel towards their graduation. And my heart goes out to anyone who didnt. Luckily it had a speaker in there so it would do last calls for every departure. Hey, I was at Spring Creek Community in 1988 as this place was evolving into the nightmare scenario it ended up being. I was horrified. I was there at spring creek community before most of you here. And they used to say I get you being in your image or something like that. I hoped she would not get hit. I looked at them and looked at Brandy. But Thirteen was the wrong move. He talked to this girl that was beautiful during some of the session where he was trying to face his sex addiction . I will say it did some good with the bonds I created with some people. Rebecca REDFIN IS COMMITTED TO AND ABIDES BY THE FAIR HOUSING ACT AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY ACT. If yall been to Jamaica YOU would honestly be greatful for. The nearest commercial airport is in the town of Butte, which is within a 1-hour drive from the ranch. I cant remember if we did that every day or not but thats when I played basketball and would drink out of this spring fed faucet that was always surrounded by bees which tripped me out because they would never sting you.then back to class. Were there Shitty Staff Members, Yes. These were tough places to get kicked out of for sure. The only staff member that I think most of us respected was Papa Mike, because he was a descent guy. Spent a lot of my time in intervention. I work around Thompson Falls and Heron for years and have never herd anything about these places. I understand that being given level 5 may have seemed like such a dope reward for hardly having to work for it but looking back on it now I just think what a joke the whole moving up thing was. I still think about her and cry on occasion. 5 months in the wilderness then committed, year and more. I was the youngest one in both those programs I was barely 13 years old. It was literally a correctional facility to house unwanted kids. I feel for you. Everyone gave up on me o. in 2005 or 2004 when I was released from the program at age 16 but not welcomed to return home. They beat us, starved us, humiliated us and made us walk through 10 degree weather in our boxers and flip flops. Just pretty much running a muck. Youre telling me a 15 year old shouldnt call his parents for 13 months because he was a trouble maker a year ago. When I came home I had a contract and was a completely different person only like 20-30lbs heavier. . Who the hell do you think you are????? Located in the heart of Paradise Valley, the scenery located along the spring creek is some of the best in the state. I started in a lower-level family that I cant remember the name for the life of me, Integrity maybe? I was in SCL for 22 months from 2001 to 2003. I was unaware that a website like this existed until a girlfriend of mine told me about it. Sold. I knew the program inside and out and know it was full of lies. I said to myself I will never come down here and participate in one of these in the rest of my time here,so when they came up I would tell them please just take me to the Hobbit. They look like the reason god gave us flame thrower s lol lets toss some salad. I was so fucking sad and I felt so betrayed by her. WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sold: Vacant land located at 25 South Fifty One Ranch Dr Lot B-4, Townsend, MT 59644 sold on May 18, 2022. Our help was the traumait was child abuse. Remarks: Canyon Ferry Reservoir Views, Baldy Mountain Views and year round . The little kid you remember was Cliff Miller, and there was Cody Bradford. Linderman was not in the same league of evil. I was there for one year and witnessed everything including kids trying to kill themselves. The CSR's Montana ranch spanned 2,077+/- acres of premium Montana ranchland in the heart of the Gallatin Valley, 10 miles West of Bozeman. He died in 2011 and I still think so much about what he went through and if he would maybe be alive if he never went there to begin with. How long were you there? Anyone who remembers me should get at me on facebook. Its jail you pay for. What people didnt see was my home life. I just found this website and thankful for it. Took a minute but finally made it across the river next was a big ass cliff of rocks that elevated the river bank from the train tracks. Cameron Pullan first worked for WWASP at Cross Creek in 1991 and 1992. These folks eventually kicked me out, wanna know where they sent me? aka looking out the window at you haha. For those of you relatively fresh out, young and confused, dont try to rationalize what happened there because you never will. They picked me up in the middle of the day. My name is travis hull. It keeps getting worse and worse. They fuckng made me live in the tpee in the winter for like 2 weeks. I tried to comply once against my better judgment. Dont be trying to shine light on these facilities. How weird I was.. just trying to never go back I did it all. Her name was Emily Gleason. Its been years since Ive even thought about this. I still call bagels bag-els because of him. Im glad you got so much outta of this place bro. If you just have a day or two to spare, day trips are a great way to experience Montana's legendary fisheries. I adored many of those kids. McCoy Spring Creek Ranch is an amazing opportunity to own a true sporting ranch in the world-famous Beaverhead Valley. Did I fimd it Funny that only cute girls got to Work at Camerons and Chaffins Home? The insane running the asylum. In between the two I spent about a month a house on a lake with a loaded kitchen snakcks everywhere freedom. Is your name Billy Roberts? what up david. Just looking for pictures and memories good and bad. His mom works 2 jobs, goes to college full time and cares for her two boys D and J. I definitely dont want to recommend a boys camp if this is the type of treatment he will get! I was here in 2002-03. It has been great to read all of these posts and see the familiar names.its good to see how you all are doingIts so strange that all of us went through this shit together but were so far apart I wish i could get my hands on a damn SCL 98/99 directory of students AND staff hahaI hope all of you are doing well..I am happy to say I am loving life with my two kiddos and living in Denver best city ever so if any of you remember me please feel free to email me! i do not know your husband and i didnt went too this place but i had a similar experience elsewhere in europe when i was a teen. Wish you guys all well in life. The ladies were odd. And thats what they would do. I feel like the description of half military school half cult is accurate. I was tricked into going to boarding school at 15 and my mom drove me from Cali. I ran with the nortenos back in the day, and lucky me, there was one fellow 15yo ene there from antiochbut 3 surenos and a crip, and this asian dude that was muscly as fuck but mentally a complete bitch who just wanted the crips to like him. that is the full truth and whole truth about my 2 escape attempts within my 2 months I was there. And just love them and support them as much as you can through it all.guide them try to understand what there going through. To josh lamberts mother. If I ever go back it will be to burn the place to the ground. Talk about some gay shit lol they said I would amount to nothing!!!!! From Wisconsin? I was kidnapped by spring creek lodges goons out of a state where I was legally an adult. Con college 0.5. Good luck to you. I have no doubt that if he had not been subjected to the types of violence we all experienced in the programs, he wouldnt be in his current predicament. has any of those in excel 01-02 heard from goddfree? My daughter Shelby was there and graduated in 2007. Montana. WINTER FUCKING IN MONTANA! The Chaffin Twins, Mickey, the connection to Utah, Jamaica all the Missoulian news paper articles. McCoy Spring Creek Ranch | Montana Land for Sale SOLD McCoy Spring Creek Ranch 1210 ACRES Dillon IN Beaverhead COUNTY MONTANA Listing Price: $10,500,000 < > MOST RECENT STATUS UPDATE Sold November 15, 2012 Property Updated January 5, 2021 Details Free Subscribers Sign up for Free Access Market Experts Become a Market Expert Map The creeks have prolific hatches that occur throughout the year. The guest homes are efficient accommodations for your guests during a sporting visit.