Hate Crimes Prevention Act and 45 counts of using a firearm A Texas father one of the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives wanted for the slayings of his two teen daughters was busted after more than 12 years on the run, the federal law enforcement agency announced. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. A Florida mother, who allegedly lied to police that her son with autism was abducted by two black men, was charged with the child's murder, police said. One of the hairs had magically developed root material to enable that. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. The women testified last week. The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. Animals would have for sure. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. The sisters, who were students at Lewisville High School, were found dead in their fathers taxi in Irving. It seems so, according to you. Instead, he hid for 12 years until the FBI found him in a relatives home in Denton County. I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. And Patricia wasnt all edges. If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. Patricia Browns downtown Los Angeles office demanding that he grant Patricia Wright clemency. Mark and Patricia McCloskey She had money put aside. Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? A Texas man who carried out the mass shooting at the Cielo Vista Walmart in El Paso, Texas, on Aug. 3, 2019, killing 23 people and injuring 22 more, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court to a 90-count indictment, including 45 counts of violating the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. Alex Murdaugh found guilty of killing wife, son A federal jury found Yassein Abdulfatah Said, 59, guilty on one count of conspiracy to conceal a person from arrest, one count of concealing a person from arrest and one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. Thats all for this post. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. What evidence is there she actually left the state? The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? John If you feel it so necessary to post a comment, please at least try to keep it original, because theres nothing sensible with your juvenile attempt using my words. One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. Jerry Browns office, because of Wrights Three Strikes sentence of life without possibility of parole (LWOP), she does not qualify for medical parole. Sad discovery. I've been thinking about them the last two weeks every morning when I wake up and close my eyes," she said. Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. Patricia Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. How would an intruder find it? Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew. Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. Do you realize that Patricia was only found and arrested more than six months after the murder? You seem to have a fragile ego. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. Killers can plan all the details and alibis well ahead of the murder while cops must come up with hard evidence, even just to make an arrest. Puny policy. Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). She is a D-FW native with a B.A. Mr. Said harbored his father, Yaser, inside an apartment in Bedford, Texas, where a maintenance worker spotted Yaser on Aug. 14, 2017. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. We didnt expect it. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. Yaser Said had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014 in connection with the fatal shootings of his daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, on New Years Day 2008. It has very bad energy. I wonder, did they ever perform a DNA test on the baby, to verify paternity? Patricia Kopta left behind a husband and siblings and meandered through northern Puerto Rico for a while before she was taken as a person in need to the adult Remembering Patricia Cole, former copy editor at NPR : NPR Patricia She is 100% guilty seen 2 programs on this awful murder and read about it as well. It then makes light of the fact that the car in which the (incriminating) hairs were found was absent of any blood. Why? In 1995, Larry Wright was facing a 10-year sentence for two felonies, risk of an injury to a minor and violating a restraining order, and a misdemeanor for threatening by saying, Im going to kill you, to his wife after he caught her cheating. "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. Sir I would not kill somebody and I definitely wouldnt kill somebody I never met, Rorrer said. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with both girls in the week before their killings because she was in great fear of her life, police said. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. Your email address will not be published. Oh my God. He was captured in August and is in state custody. As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. Someone had shot Joann in the face with a .22-caliber pistol, then beaten her about the head hitting her 19 times in all with a blunt object. She took out the woman who replaced her. Have you read the book? After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. Said showed no emotion as the verdict was read. Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. Cop defends accused. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. Crystal Carter is a Bay Area-based reporting fellow with the Center for Media, Crime and Justice in the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York (CUNY). Said She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. Patricia Cole, a veteran copy editor whose sharp eye, quick wit and kind heart made her a cherished colleague at NPR and other news outlets, died on Friday at age 46, Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. In one entry, she writes that she has plans for people who have messed with her, and that "people will be surprised of what she is capable of," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren said. Oh wait, sorry, you werent there. "Clive was a skilful and inventive actor with wide experience, as his successful career proved," she said. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? Amina Said's mother Patricia Owens Said was not charged with murder. Traupman died in 2016. In April 2019, 69-year-old Patricia was found guilty of second-degree murder and the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. Barry Grube, one of the few, if not only, police officers sympathetic to Patricias cause, noted that Andrew didnt seem particularly frantic while authorities searched desperately for his wife and son. Patricia 'The Sparrow' Kopta found alive after decades Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. Or did they? Theres speculation and theres lies period. Dial-a-problem. Or to keep it anonymous, click here. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. There is way too much doubt in this case for my comfort. ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. Irving Police Chief Jeff Spivey hailed authorities for pursuing justice in the case for more than a decade. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial issues and that Jerome was dying of liver cancer and only had 60 days to live. guilty But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. She was the one that left Andy! She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? Yassein Saids sentencing has been set for June 4. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. But none of those charges ever stuck. Yes, documentaries probably do misrepresent evidence, and many may respond to that misrepresentation, but beneath that is jury judgment, and while courts can be wrong they are usually right. Although I would have liked it to be death! Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. Islam Said, Yasseins 32-year-old nephew, pleaded guilty to the same charges last month in connection with the effort to protect Yaser Said, 63, who had been a fugitive since 2008. Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. Just one example. Clive Swift: Keeping Up Appearances star dies I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours from Riverside to Los Angeles and sit in court all day, Patricia said. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. Patricia seemed like the girl next door but all of a sudden, something snapped, Katrinak later told Wrong Man investigators. Deal refused. Patricia Amina two bullets in the heart.". she didnt need to . How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). Both were deceased. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. Have you read the book? So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. They told him that if he testified against his sister, Patricia, he would be able to get out of prison sooner. Petition JUSTICE for Amina & Sarah Said: To interrogate Patricia In 2016, Oklahoma police arrested the mother, Patricia Spann, now 44, and her 26-year-old daughter, Misty Velvet Dawn Spann, charging both of them with incest. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. Todays arrest of their father, Yaser Said brings us closer to ensuring justice is served on their behalf.. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? Judge Richard T. Fields will be presiding over the case and Public Defender Ruby Ramirez will be representing Patricia for the Riverside County Public Defenders Office. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. And while youre on that list, you can be happy in the knowledge youre not in rarefied company. Patricia Owens, They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. Owens and her sister, Connie Moggio, entered the courtroom together. It's been a long three years for them.". We should be skeptical of those, like you, who suggest its obvious a jury got it wrong that you know better than 12 people presented with the evidence. I dont think so. Stop it.. An infant was lying face down on her stomach. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree He says he "feared for his life" and left the girls in the cab alive as he ran away. His defense team raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence during closing arguments. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. Kidnapped and killed? And in a piece of salacious testimony, Patricia Rorrers half sister, Sandra Ireland, said that in May 1995, about six months after the murder, their mother, Patricia Chambers, stopped by the house and asked her to hold onto or hide a gun, or both.
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