Maybe Saru wont be on the ship as much but Im guessing they are going the same direction. But one could argue a ship full of Barclays is not the most convincing portrait of humanity. Unity? And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. The ships shrink should not be a Command level position and in fact would make sense to be on the CMOs staff. And another way to look at it: at least its not another hour of tv taken by a reality show, right? This is rare case were I actually agree with Lorma. A person who we see strive to make themselves a better person. Then there are many women like Sonequa, who feel theyre too skinny. Yeah, self absorbed is an excellent way to describe her character, Id never thought of it that way. From the next episode on season 3 which was at least okay up to that point started to completely fall apart. The show had its official opening on Monday, March 21st, and is currently set to run through April 24. I even got a t-shirt that says DISCO on it, which prompts inquiries about my musical tastes of past decades when I was a twenty-something, lol. The Enterprise D was the only place we saw a councelor. Just more pandering. I am a therapist in real life, and even *I* think it was crazy that they had a therapist on the bridge. Make it make sense! It would definitely be great if Rhys was promoted to first officer. Overweight and obesity are a leading health risk identified by the World Health Organization. Tilly, played by Mary Wiseman on Star Trek Discovery is not pregnant. Where is this? The mirror Tilly and the ISS Discovery appear in the "Mirror of Discovery" storyline in Star Trek Online, as part of the game's 9th anniversary in January 2019; she is voiced by Mary Wiseman, who also . Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. Paradise was most likely referring to the shows production and creative teams. GD, what shoes is David wearing in those pics? Every woman is very beautiful. Let it die. I love Tilly. She is perhaps, the most human character on the show. You are always very insightful. How does Tillys scientific mind come into play in solving the crisis of the anomaly in season four? Mary Wiseman: Well what is like the same root of Book but like the polar opposite expression of it? If Tilly needed to pick up a phaser or be physically active then that means the Discovery is in some serious shit, with it either having been boarded and their entire security personnel neutralised, or with Tilly separated from the ship, most like due to its destruction. Jury still out on Books character.definitely ahead of the 2 dimensional bridge crew though. To me, at least. You made very good points and I do agree. And I know Chakotay was also Captain on Voyager in those books as well. Tilly appears twice in the Star Trek: Discovery season 5 trailer. Ill never forget when I, a woman of 160# at 58, healthy, deemed fit by military and bodyfat percentage indexes, approached the Credit Union one day, when the guy at the ATM finished his transaction, turned, saw me, and yelled Hey, fatass!. I do find their quirks annoying at times, but the most important reason I like them is because theyre honest, kind people with a good heart. Tilly's Discovery Season 4 Exit & Season 5 Future Explained My condolences to you, for your mum. I truly do love this show, but Burnham and Tilly are so damn annoying. Its her, Adira, Stamets, and Reno who are the really hard science people. Sylvia Tilly was an ambitious female Human Starfleet officer who lived during the mid- 23rd century. To be honest I think she is more attractive than the mostly skinny cast of most series. Did Tilly on Discovery gain weight? I personally have battled weight issues all my life since high school and when I am eating healthy and trainng hard, I feel great and can do almost anything (power skating, fast hockey, tons of physical activity) meanwhile the opposite is true when I let myself go (and that does happen). No it says a lot about the incredibly dangerous message she is sending. Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. So I think we pick up with her after some time has passed since the events of that season, but shes still sort of not really sure what to make of it, and everything that used to be really comfortable isnt sitting as comfortably as it used to if that makes sense. Fans need to stop being rude and act like gentlemen for once. And how and how would your abilities be used in the Mirror Universe? Would a woman watching this aspire to be a Tilly or aspire to be a Dax, Kira or Janeway? Keep up the great work ladies! Most actresses on TV, if theyre 58 probably weigh 120# or less. And thats a healthy outlook. Not with DSC, not with ANYTHING. Of course my original statement still stands regarding Tilly becoming Sarus Number One. Between 2011 through 2015, she attended Juilliard School's Drama Division, where one of her students was future Star Trek: Discovery actress Mary Chieffo. I think criticism of the actors is wrong as well, its not about the actors its what they have been told deliver. And saying they should be sending this message is just another way to try to bully someone into doing what you want, not what that person wants for their self. Not holding my breath hes given the job though, especially since we know Saru is coming back. The writing for him is trying in season 1, but from Samaritan Snare onwards I actually think hes kinda endearing and has decent utility. He was non-military, the same height as me, and easily weighed 300#. BTW, I know this is waaaaaay off topic, but since you are the literary Trek lover on this site and keep up with a lot of the books, do you think Prodigy is going to use some of Kirsten Beyers Full Circle Voyager story lines? Actually, the production team is not helping either. Conversational, easy to listen to and understand every point. 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Lets stick with the science and not target individuals. That finale appearance was basically a cameo. I saw someone just last month asking on a Facebook fanpage if Starfleet had some kind of physical fitness standard and if so, shes violating it, ect.the same old idiotic abusive misogyny disguised as genuine concern. But how the women look?! All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. Come on she looks great. Respectfully, to anyone somehow offended by that. I like Tilly but shes not my favourite character. Thanks for the heads up about Beyer and the Voyager books. As you put it: I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. And I agree wholeheartedly. Oh, I think its fine they had a counselor on the SHIP; I just think its weird they had her on the BRIDGE. Basically a good officer whos been in Starfleet for some years but her career stalled due to emotional and self-esteem issues. She is full of self doubt, guilt, and anxiety, yet she doesnt quit. Fortunately, more than 30 years ago I was encouraged to focus on the health aspects of eating well and training hard and not the aesthetics. The Relaunch Litverse books for DS9 are uneven in my reading experience as compared to the TNG and the Voyager books once Beyer took over. Its been a continuing book series since 2009 and still going. But its the elephant we have in the room, these days. She hasnt mentored anyone except in one episode. Although criticism of a performance is valid (Burnhams whispering, over emoting etc.) Sense of morals. How blandly Puritan. Acceptance? Theyve written Tilly as just the straight oh theres Tilly for the jokes. We have both Mary Wiseman and Sonequa Martin-Green talking about body issues, Kate Mulgrew jumping in too, and some more behind-the-scenes photos. Wiseman would be smart to ignore the haters because their posts are rooted in negativity and hate. When a show blankets the airwaves with hugs and confessionals and cheering it tends to make any subtler moments stand out far less, but this is also not a subtle show to begin with. Ive read plenty of well-deserved criticism of the writing but to my knowledge, there has been no widespread criticism of STD acting or physical appearances. Mack is one of the core group of Trek authors going back to shortly before Nemesis. They should all try for the standards of randos on the internet like you Episodes will be. https://t.co/zV56ClHoUZ, Kate Mulgrew (@TheKateMulgrew) December 18, 2020. Tilly is the most human member of the crew. This show has disrespected the actress with poor development and no real storyline except oh hey, im awkward guys. And more importantly, were back to exploring both the prime universe and 24th century again we havent done since Voyagers final season, which was 20 years ago this year! Mary Wiseman and David Ajala with their co-stars Wilson Cruz, Sonequa Martin-Green, Blu del Barrio, and Anthony Rapp at NYCC 2021, (Trailer also available for international viewers onInstagramandstartrek.com). A statistical average does not justify shaming or ridiculing anyone. She strikes me as no different than Barkley. MS Wiseman owns the sadistic Bitch Capt Killy like she does Tilly. The U.S.S. I will have to go check it out. And second of all, just to dig into it, you dont always get to see a woman like me in that sort of position. Im sure many may NOT be a Janeway but could at least look at her and say thats what I aspire to be. In CanadaDiscoveryis broadcast on CTV Sci-Fi Channel and streams on Crave. Plenty of curvy ladies are quite healthy and active. She opted that she had a different calling within the world of teaching and, in the end, she decided that she wanted to chase that feeling. I think the CW has been using something like this for years. This is why Discovery is polarising and this is why people four seasons in still dislike Burnham and Tilly as characters. I like her personality though, mostly. That promise was fulfilled in last weeks season finale, and Wiseman is talking about her return. Youve got to hand it to Harry Kim. Star Trek: Discovery Boss Explains That Tilly Reveal - Yahoo! News In fact most iterations of Trek the actors have provided a neutral delivery of their native accent. Han Van Sciver and Mary Wiseman in At the Wedding (Photo: Marc J. Franklin), Watch Wiseman and cast and crew talk about the season four finale. The fourth episode of the new season of Star Trek: Discovery ("All is Possible") arrived this morning and it has fans buzzing about Lt. Sylvia Tilly. Nibiru? Youre perfect as you are. I suppose thats why some places are rising and others are very visibly in decline. This sounds kind of racist. Most of what she did was convey the amazingly obvious like offering such useful insights such as, Hes concealing something but I dont know what. And her abilities were never fully defined. You cant be a Star Trek fan and also be a racist or a body shamer. This was her character and then had perhaps one or two incidents where she became a little more focused and then off screen came back a different person. My suspicion is they farm this out to sweatshops somewhere in Asia. Sure, its not perfect, we all have a nitpick here and there, but as long as it has a message, it revolves around people, and some cool science stuff, its trek to me. So many jerks in this world, its good to see decent people. 42 comments so far. If there had been a believable logical progression from Cadet Tilly in season 1 to Starfleet Academy instructor in season 4, where they had built up the character to where she shed bits and pieces of the awkwardness as she became more confident in her abilities. Me thinks that your issue is not that fans of nu trek are pandered to to feel better about themselves. 89. When Mary Wisemans Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. And I just let the writers take me on a journey. And I felt that was ridiculous. No spoilers in case I ever decide to actually the write the thing, but youd love it as a DS9 fan. I always have to correct it, so its not terribly efficient. Though frankly, I find people like her generally seem more aware of their overall health and fitness than people who try to fit others images. Roddenberrys imprint on Next Gen made the characters not flawed enough for some tastes, granted, but Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and Enterprise have countless examples of human foibles and emotions sure, not to the degree as Discovery, with its ship full of Barclays as one commenter put it, rhetorically. I think that in a world thats so repressed and violent, violence becomes these peoples only outlet for pleasure and release. And yeah, some of us are coach potatoes, most of us certainly not gold cut supermodels. So many characters, and all were very well developed with interesting stories. CBS/Paramount+ For Wiseman's Tilly, the danger and near-loss of all the cadets, including Adira (Blu del Barrio) forces her. Every Thursday night I yell Black Alert to let everyone know Im watching Star Trek. Overall, I like the fun character of Tilly (too bad the writers room made her first officer). Tilly (Mary Wiseman) leads the stranded Starfleet cadets to safety. She is a real girl. After the first two seasons of high pressure I thought I would have seen more growth. As long as Wesley Crusher exists she will always be in a race for that title. I agree 100%. Definitely not a dig at the actress, she is only delivering what the directors and producers have asked her to deliver. But Im just happy we are talking about Voyager again, especially since this show is basically a spin off of it! After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. Obviously I dont know what M. Wiseman is like. Shaming is one thing. Btw, I really liked the scene of Tilly and Burnham running back in S1 and eating protein, carbs and fat post workout. I agree! DS9 Avatar books 1 and 2 were quite good and helpfully kicked off the DS9 Relaunch sequence. It seems like people like her say: this is me. Sort of the same way Spock stayed first officer in the movies to Kirk although he was a captain for five of those films. I have to agree. Lwaxana sometimes I dont mind her simply because she puts Picard and Odo on their back feet, but she was very OTT on shows that didnt really have a lot of OTT characters, and there was little reason for her to keep appearing on DS9 beyond reverence towards Majel Barrett. And no one in their right mind would play poker with her. Not sure what her weight has to do with anything. SuKal accidentally blowing up all warp ships thats another instance of Trek being intwined with my own life So you offend S3 of DSC, you also sully the memory of my mum and EVERY mother that ever died. Ive never liked Tilly. Mary Wiseman is a good actress but even with that, if Star Trek Discovery was shot in 80s or 90s producers would probably force her to go on a diet or even fire her. Rather than shaming them or acting like there are only a few kinds of women worth aspiring to be. I know a thing or two about haters-pay no mind. Sigh all you like, but thats not going to magically make physics and biology work differently. Mary Wiseman claims that she wants to inspire all the curvy women around the world with her Star Trek weight gain story. That one ship generates more energy than present-day Earths entire human energy expenditure, generates its own artificial gravity, and violates causality routinely. So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. I wasnt complaining there were therapists on board. The burden is now on SNWThat show can either make or break it with regards to these issues. Im proud to be here and I am proud to wear my skin-tight costume and proud of my body. David Ajala: The first thing that comes to mind, is maybe hes a borderline narcissist, vry egotistical, and self-absorbed. I realized that unless I wanted to deal with health issues like hypertension, diabetes and other medical ailments, I would have to eat less and less as I got older and older. After Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) and Tilly (Mary Wiseman) journey to a planet alongside Burnham's mother Gabrielle (Sonja Sohn), things get a little hairy when the Qowat Milat nun they're . As an actress and a person I dont mind her at all, shes lovely. That is not anything to diss. Star Trek is supposed to be socially progressive but this show went too far. Star Trek: Discovery season 4: everything we know | TechRadar Star Trek: Discovery actor Mary Wiseman has a - Daily Star Trek News Jealous and insecure,they can only feel better by putting others down. Fitness may be in the eye of the beholder, as hes commented himself that contempories his age have to hit the head just a bit more often. Yes, I like both Barclay and Tilly. Originally I imagined him as Denzel Washington or Blair Underwood, but after belatedly watching The Wire and Luther I think Idris Elba would be a really good match. I cant spoil anything into season five, except to say that we love Tilly. The character. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Why do you think being nervous or anxious means that you can not graduate from the academy? However, in the same interview she also talked about how some fans have not been so supportive in season three: I noticed theres definitely been an uptick in body-shaming towards me and Tilly this season, which was harrowing because Im a person, I have a history and bullying is totally a part of that. Btw have you come across any good DS9 books about what happened to Sisko or the rest of the crew after the finale? As long as the stories remain laser-focused on the *people* their *relationships* and the *emotions* generated therein, instead of ships, gadgets, and effects, well be fine. I mean, it was just so fun! No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. Also, quite likely theyre pointing her towards a bigger role in their upcoming Academy show, when she does want the work of tv again. I didnt like Reed from Enterprise, does that make me a troll? I dont think Tilly is ruined. The writers may love the character, but they also appreciate that the actor is a real person who might want variety in their career. Sonequa Martin-Green in Unification III, Co-showrunner Michelle Paradise shared some behind-the-scenes photos from Terra Firma, Part 2.. Whereas Tilly is an oh shes just like me and validates all my insecurities so its ok to be as I am. They told us and a handful of other outlets what to expect for their characters and more. That could be it. And with Troi being a betazoid, thats why she was on the bridge. It was a novelty in his first story and they turned it on its head when he got zapped and made super-smart, but most of the time hes very trying, especially when he gets thrown onto Voyager. Have you ever read those? David, has Michael becoming captain changed Books relationship with her? But I think one of the things that leaves everyone feeling unmoored in this situation is they dont even know how to use their skills to deal with this because its something theyve never seen before, and they cant predict it, they dont know by which rules its operating, and how to even engage. I dont love her the way I love Saru or Pike, or Janeway or Seven or Picard or Spock. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. If you cant deal with the idea of conflicting opinions then I really dont think you should be online at the moment. 'Star Trek: Discovery' Season 4 Episode 13 Recap: A - TVLine I hope were able to explore it because theres potential for great levity, but then also really important conversations to be had because when you care about someone you dont want to see them go through pain, and I can see completely how Tilly will be very protective of Michael Burnham. I basically just know the books that gets discussed or reviewed here. She wrote ten books based around this concept and still writing them. Where I live people compete on the merits and are proud of their professional or intellectual achievements not their bad habits, bad health or even born with attributes such as divergent sexual orientation that they had no influence over whatsoever. That said, the stolid approach to characterization has its benefits as well when an emotional outburst happens it can be devastating (see: Picards breakdowns in the likes of Family, Chain of Command, First Contact), but it also allows for subtler moments to have outsized impacts (Odo asking Garak to breakfast, Seven revealing her favorite color, Picards 1/4 smiles when no one is looking, Spocks eyebrow etc), which is also quite true to life. She is most recognized for her roles in the science fiction drama series Star Trek: Discovery on Paramount+, where she first played Cadet, then Ensign, and finally . But the nu left that this show panders to cant accept any opinion that isnt in agreement with it so they try to immediately invalidate it. It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. What do you think it looks like? I want to really like Discovery, I do. I think the ship can handle a little chonk. After his first episode or two, I was done with Barclay and was frustrated when he came back, and especially when he showed up on Voyager. Why wouldnt someone want to be more like that? By indicating that shes not ashamed of her body? The frequency and level of mockery and hate, very often is targeted to the female actors, for them to behave like women, to behave as woman leaders. And to be honest, she never really helped him out all that much. Nice girl but still jostling with Burnham as the most annoying character on the show. Patrick Kwok-Choon is the only one of the bridge officers that doesnt have another regular acting or producer/director role. Unfortunately PICARD turned out to be set in the same period, so it derailed my plans, although later I did figure out a way to explain the considerable differences in the Prime Universe. She cant control her weight. But admittedly, its pretty close. out of shape for the job shes in and the role she wanted to perform. American actress Mary Wiseman was born on July 30, 1985. The Klingon redesign was much more than a visual reboot and especially the tech aspects dont fit canon (holographic communication, Klingon cloaking, android bridge crew, easy terraforming, state-of-the-art nanotech, Enterprise battle squad). Thats kind of what I was playing with. The entire point of Tillys character is that shes a Starfleet officer that doesnt have to be a supermodel like so many Trek characters before: Troi, Seven, TPol, Jadzia perfect golden cut supermodels. I do not endorse body-shaming in any way, as I was bullied as a kid years ago. It felt like an organic exit, and with the way that others said goodbye to her, it . Yes, she was a therapist that say patients in her office but her betazoid abilities aided Picard. 'Star Trek: Discovery' Theory: There Is Something About Grudge There have been moments where they tried to do that, but like everything else on Discovery where self-doubt and emotional scenes of worry in darkly-lit rooms need to be front and center, they always seemed to bring Tilly back to spazzing out because she was nervous about whether she can do it before being put on a mission. Did Star Trek: Discovery Just Lay The Groundwork For A New Spinoff? That is why you never saw councelors on any other class ship. Where did all the good writers go?? Tilly is a wonderful incarnation of our inner geekdom, a person you would find at conventions or in fanfiction I love this character so much because she isnt perfect. Maybe not but what are your thoughts? The message she is sending how? I guess some people would rather the perfect people of TNG than anyone that mirrors back anything they dont want to see in themselves. Fan favourite is a bit of a stretch..quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history I would encourage her to do the same. Cant believe people are so rude as to insult anyone because they dont look the way they expect. That was an awfully fast turnaround. Mary Wiseman has established herself as a talented actor on Star Trek: Discovery. Star Trek: Discovery threw a shocker into its latest episode as Lieutenant Sylvia Tilly decided to leave the Discovery crew. In the latest Star Trek: Discovery episode, Sylvia Tilly ( Mary Wiseman) was tasked with . Those b@stards, however, totally killed Landry )Cuddles with @actordougjones and @davbentom These men are nothing short of hereoic in prosthetics all day e'reday. Mary Wiseman, Cadet to Lieutenant Silvia Tilly on Star Trek: Discovery I dont think youre ready for that kind of interaction, online, or anywhere else. She never wouldve made it through the Academy. Yes I forgot David Mack is a consultant on this show too and is well aware of all the post-Nemesis stories in the novels. Anyway, another Discovery-ism, amongst the many other weird decisions on this show. Mary Wiseman (born July 30, 1985) is an American actress. Along with this, the biggest thing that Michael aided Tilly with was her confidence. (OMG, weve gone way off topic lol. Just mentioning few of their values. As an actor of 20 years myself I can say for SMG that her acting ability is affected by her accent and delivery due to her accent . For now, Wiseman is busy starring in the new comedy play At the Wedding at the Lincoln Center Theater in New York. Star Trek: Discovery currently streams exclusively on Paramount+ in the U.S. Eh, only in some particular parts of the internet. Mary Wiseman (actress) - Wikipedia Overweight and obesity are not a matter of looks or body shape, and those who feel free to body-shame are off-side and frequently unkind. She hopped over those 900 years. The actress also discussed how Killy inspires some fans: Killy is somebody whos very important to a lot of fans, especially my curvy women out there who like to see another full-figured, fat, curvy, chunky woman get to feel powerful and use that size to command authority, said Wiseman. Star Trek: Why Tilly & Burnham Are Discovery's Best Friendship So when Tilly became a teacher I was like, freaky coincidence but perfect!). That however does nothing to mitigate the way Burnham has been written to be unforgivably self-absorbed throughout many of the key moments of the series. Especially when there were just so many more qualified people for the job on and off the ship. 108 comments so far. Thanks for the correction and yes that is correct. What tradition do you speak of? This is not a good show and not a good Star Trek Show too. For me, generally speaking, when Barclay or Trois mom appeared it signaled a terrible episode in advance. Rumors started when some problematic fans of Star Trek Discovery found out that she gained a few pounds between the seasons. Good for her, and I love the character! I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. And to get to see that visually, that was a very gratifying moment for me to see, Okay, somebody different showed up., Mary Wiseman as Tilly and Oded Fehr as Admiral Vance in Coming Home. Bad writing, illogical story arcs, unbalanced tempo, underdeveloped characters or sudden jumps in character development. DSC had many issues at the beginning. 71 comments so far. Even Picard has his own show. Mary Wiseman Talks Tilly's Future On 'Star Trek: Discovery'